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Postby Sizzling Sausages » 02 Aug 2014, 03:46

Oh my - just imagine how much this is going to go for.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1934-First-Ed ... 259330acbf

And I imagine this won't be very cheap either.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Biggles-Co-r ... 1c43cb4416
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Postby OzBiggles1963 » 02 Aug 2014, 03:58

Wow! And the Camel Squadron jacket is an original in remarkably good condition...I will watch with interest, but there is no way I can make a serious bid, unless I re-mortgage the house, lol.
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Postby SaintedAunt » 02 Aug 2014, 07:35

The Camels jacket is in such good condition it looks too good to be real. I bet that will go for a four figure sum.

What's happened to the aeroplane on the jacket of & Co - it looks as if somebody has painted it!
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Postby Fairblue » 02 Aug 2014, 09:34

Well, I've got a birthday coming up. Hmm. A possibility at this price but it's not going to stay there, is it?
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Ooh, just noticed it's a Hamilton, too. **drool**
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Postby SaintedAunt » 02 Aug 2014, 09:42

There are plenty of later Hamilton editions of that book, but rarely a first edition on ebay, let alone with such a pristine jacket <big sigh, wants but can't afford>
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Postby Fairblue » 02 Aug 2014, 09:51

When I see this sort of thing I wonder whether the owner has died and it's been found in a box in the attic. I'm strongly tempted. Wonder how much dosh there'll be down the back of the sofa?
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Postby OzBiggles1963 » 02 Aug 2014, 10:15

I always wonder whether the owner/ex-owner has a complete collection of 1st Ed. Hamiltons in pristine jackets waiting to be sold on eBay...but alas, I could not afford any of them. :sigh2:
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Postby Crazy Man Michael » 02 Aug 2014, 15:25

It's only 51 quid at the mo'! I suppose there'll be a bidding war in the last half hour. :D

BTW, What's with the swastika on the blue German biplane?
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Postby SaintedAunt » 02 Aug 2014, 23:28

Camel Squadron is most definitely not a first edition. At best it's the 3rd (or maybe better to call it the second reprint) published in late 1935.

I asked the seller for more details because he had lots of photos but none of them much good for identifying it (no publishing dates on Hamilton editions unfortunately) and it just doesn't match the information on sites like James' site, DR B's site and other info like that on AbeBooks.

Stella & Rose (AbeBooks) have a copy of what I think may be the same edition at just over £1000. That suggests it should go for less than £1000 on ebay except for the fact that it has a very good jacket.
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Postby OzBiggles1963 » 03 Aug 2014, 04:18

Crazy Man Michael wrote:It's only 51 quid at the mo'! I suppose there'll be a bidding war in the last half hour. :D

BTW, What's with the swastika on the blue German biplane?


While not an expert on the matter [maybe one of our historians here can explain further] it is my understanding that the Swastika was considered an emblem of good luck by many German aviators in WW1, even though it was not a national or political symbol for Germany as yet.

The Nazi Party adopted the Swastika in 1920, & later was the German nation's flag in WW2, hence it's notoriety. I think the swastika is 'reversed' in many cultures & religions, but certainly dates back thousands of years in many contexts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#A ... _of_Nazism

And here's another interesting comment I found on 'The Aerodrome' website which states that some "Allied fliers also used swastikas - most notably Raoul Lufbery on his SPAD VII."

Very interesting...

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/1998/ ... craft.html
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Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 03 Aug 2014, 22:46

Definitely drooling... but both will be way out of my price range once the bidding war heats up :sigh2: I wonder what Mr RSG would think if I sold his motorbike to finance buying The Camels are Coming... :lol: :twisted:
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Postby kylie_koyote » 03 Aug 2014, 22:49

Hmm. I can't think he'd be terribly pleased.
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Postby tiffinata » 03 Aug 2014, 22:53

I'd need to check my facts, but I think it was Hitler who reversed the swastika. It had been a good luck symbol until then. Now you see it in any form and people think of the Nazis.
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Postby kylie_koyote » 03 Aug 2014, 22:55

I saw it on statues of the Buddha in China and it threw me for a loop.
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Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 04 Aug 2014, 07:14

kylie_koyote wrote:Hmm. I can't think he'd be terribly pleased.

He just laughed when I suggested it. Somehow I think he's angling for a new bike 8-)
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Postby OzBiggles1963 » 04 Aug 2014, 07:37

tiffinata wrote:I'd need to check my facts, but I think it was Hitler who reversed the swastika. It had been a good luck symbol until then. Now you see it in any form and people think of the Nazis.


I believe you are quite correct, & this appearance of the 'left hand' swastika has a negative concept or meaning close to 'Magic'.

The 'right hand' swastika [used by anyone from the North American Indians to Baden-Powell in the scout movement], on the other hand, has a positive connotation.

The earliest swastika symbol in Europe found dates back 12,000 years or so according to this website & the word swastika itself is "a Sanskrit word (‘svasktika’) meaning ‘It is’, ‘Well Being’, ‘Good Existence, and ‘Good Luck’:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-le ... 12#!bu8IU4
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Postby tiffinata » 04 Aug 2014, 08:21

over 200 pounds at the moment.
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Postby Sizzling Sausages » 04 Aug 2014, 10:26

I get really curious about who buys these books for the big money. Surely if somebody loves Biggles that much they'd be a member of this forum - how could they not? :lol:
Like most others here, I'd dearly love to have a go but it's simply beyond me. But if somebody has the impeccable taste to love Biggles books and the good fortune to be able to afford to grab something like this when it comes up, I think the only other thing they would need in life would be to join the good folk here :wave: . I wouldn't be jealous (not much, anyway :roll: ) but I'd love to see their collection on the pictures thread!
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Postby OzBiggles1963 » 04 Aug 2014, 10:51

Sizzling Sausages wrote:I get really curious about who buys these books for the big money. Surely if somebody loves Biggles that much they'd be a member of this forum - how could they not? :lol:
Like most others here, I'd dearly love to have a go but it's simply beyond me. But if somebody has the impeccable taste to love Biggles books and the good fortune to be able to afford to grab something like this when it comes up, I think the only other thing they would need in life would be to join the good folk here :wave: . I wouldn't be jealous (not much, anyway :roll: ) but I'd love to see their collection on the pictures thread!


It's not me! [I wish, lol] Yes, I reckon there are some 'mystery' buyers out there with big bucks to splash around. Like you, I would love to see them [& pics] on the forum & tell us their secret to abundant wealth & ability to afford Hamilton eds at such prices. :D

I mean to say, we have 127 members on the nominal roll here on the forum...it would be interesting [though impossible] to know if this 'core' of addicts forms 0.01%, 1%, 5%, 10% etc of all serious collectors out there in the world wide web? Judging from the prices expected by sellers [& the way buyers are still buying, lol] on these top shelf items, there must be still a fair sized collector base out there. Although, prices have come down in the last 10 yrs or so.
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Sizzling Sausages wrote:I get really curious about who buys these books for the big money. Surely if somebody loves Biggles that much they'd be a member of this forum - how could they not?


If they were that serious about Biggles books they probably wouldn't join the forum ;)
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Postby kylie_koyote » 04 Aug 2014, 14:11

Do some people buy them purely as an investment and not to enjoy? The way some people collect coins or stamps, but then put them in a safe deposit box and never admire them?
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SaintedAunt wrote:
Sizzling Sausages wrote:I get really curious about who buys these books for the big money. Surely if somebody loves Biggles that much they'd be a member of this forum - how could they not?


If they were that serious about Biggles books they probably wouldn't join the forum ;)



They might keep an eye on it without being members, just to see if advance warning of any gems is given here, or if someone is offering something 'in house'.
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Postby Spitfire666 » 04 Aug 2014, 20:03

kylie_koyote wrote:Do some people buy them purely as an investment and not to enjoy? The way some people collect coins or stamps, but then put them in a safe deposit box and never admire them?

What a horrible thought :!: :(
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Postby DrBiggles » 04 Aug 2014, 20:32

I don't think this Camel Squadron is the first edition. I contacted the seller and he said there was no catalogue in the back. The first edition had the Spring 1934 catalogue.
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Postby Fairblue » 04 Aug 2014, 20:42

I contacted the seller too. He said the boards were blue with black lettering. According to James' website the boards should on a first edition should be blue on gold lettering.
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Postby SaintedAunt » 04 Aug 2014, 22:48

I think it's likely to be the third edition (or 2nd reprinting if you prefer) - late 1934. The seller seems an ok person - he had no idea that Hamiltons were such a minefield. He said that somebody told him they'd pay hundreds of £ even if it wasn't the first edition! That, I suspect, would be because of the jacket - which if it really is the original is in amazingly good condition.
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Postby Sizzling Sausages » 04 Aug 2014, 23:50

Yes, it's the jacket that makes it so collectable, regardless of what actual edition it is, really.
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Postby Dover Patrol » 07 Aug 2014, 09:01

I agree with the other comments as it's definitely not a first edition. The jacket looks superb, however. Almost too good to be true! :eh:

I think my wife would probably kill me if I bid for this book! ;)
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Postby Fairblue » 07 Aug 2014, 09:02

But it's still advertised as a 1st Edition, which is a bit naughty. Now the seller knows he has no excuse.
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