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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 04 Jul 2016, 21:05

I was looking up an RAF squadron badge and motto yesterday and had a thought - what would be an appropriate symbol for Biggles' 666 squadron, and what do you think the motto might be?

(I know that there was a 666 AOP squadron with a badge and motto http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/666squadron.cfm, no disrespect to them intended.)

You may have already discussed this somewhere, if so, someone please point me in the right direction. Thanks!
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Postby Fairblue » 04 Jul 2016, 21:10

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:I was looking up an RAF squadron badge and motto yesterday and had a thought - what would be an appropriate symbol for Biggles' 666 squadron, and what do you think the motto might be?

(I know that there was a 666 AOP squadron with a badge and motto http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/666squadron.cfm, no disrespect to them intended.)

You may have already discussed this somewhere, if so, someone please point me in the right direction. Thanks!

Yes, SG1, I raised a topic on it a while ago. It's very short, though. Here is the link.

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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 04 Jul 2016, 21:30

Thanks for that FB, I appreciate the help. I did do a search, but missed the thread somehow.

I still wonder what the forum members think would best symbolise Biggles' 666...
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Postby Fairblue » 04 Jul 2016, 21:33

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:Thanks for that FB, I appreciate the help. I did do a search, but missed the thread somehow.

I still wonder what the forum members think would best symbolise Biggles' 666...

An interesting question. Probably :smoking2:
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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 04 Jul 2016, 21:55

And there was me trying to come up with something clever that didn't refer to small dogs, pigs or the book of Revelation as they would all be too obvious!
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Kismet » 04 Jul 2016, 22:43

Veni, vidi, vici is an obvious one, or velle est posse or ad altiora tendo.

There are lots of Latin tags, but I don't actually know which ones are already taken.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Fairblue » 04 Jul 2016, 23:02

There is a book in my museum library which has the squadron mottos. Unfortunately, it isn't easy to extrapolate the mottos from each entry. But you are right, Kismet. There are a lot of Latin tags.
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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 10:42

Sorry, my school didn't do Latin, but some of the mottos are in English, so maybe we could have an English one for Biggles.
As for the badge - I've been 'inspired' overnight (deluded more like...)
It has to be a bird, I think - Biggles' squadron badge really has to symbolise flight for me so I suggest...

A merlin with wings outstretched, with a raised pitchfork grasped in the talons of one foot.

Now can anyone unravel the meanings and quote behind my thinking, or am I in a bizarre little world of my own (again) :crazy:
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Postby Fairblue » 05 Jul 2016, 11:03

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:Sorry, my school didn't do Latin, but some of the mottos are in English, so maybe we could have an English one for Biggles.
As for the badge - I've been 'inspired' overnight (deluded more like...)
It has to be a bird, I think - Biggles' squadron badge really has to symbolise flight for me so I suggest...

A merlin with wings outstretched, with a raised pitchfork grasped in the talons of one foot.

Now can anyone unravel the meanings and quote behind my thinking, or am I in a bizarre little world of my own (again) :crazy:

No, you are of not in a bizarre little world of your own. You are somewhere even crazier - The Biggles Forum. :crazypilot:
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Postby Tommy Smith » 05 Jul 2016, 11:07

Hmm, the only birds I can remember in Biggles are a Condor, a Coot and a few vultures trailing after Ginger usually.
If that's any help.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby kylie_koyote » 05 Jul 2016, 11:20

Yes something along the lines of "well, here we are" would be perfect!
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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 11:53

Yes, I like that too - totally unpretentious and very Biggles!
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Postby Fairblue » 05 Jul 2016, 12:13

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:Yes, I like that too - totally unpretentious and very Biggles!


How about 'There's always a way'
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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 12:20

Well, here's what I've been doing instead of the ironing... no disrespect meant to the RAF and genuine squadron badges; I own nothing except a twisted imagination etc.

This is the nearest image I could find to the merlin I had in mind. Anyone worked out the quote this is based on yet?
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Postby Tommy Smith » 05 Jul 2016, 12:40

I like 'There's always a way'.

I'm forever saying that.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Tracer » 05 Jul 2016, 12:46

That's rather splendid, SG1.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby OzBiggles1963 » 05 Jul 2016, 14:59

After an absence away from the forum recently [except for short bursts, lol], I must say what a great emblem, excellent work SG1!
What is the Latin for 'Here we are then'?? 8-) ;) :roll:
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Postby Kismet » 05 Jul 2016, 15:02

Hic tunc sunt, according to Google translate, is here we are then.
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Postby Frecks » 05 Jul 2016, 16:09

That does not have quite the same ring to it and with a few typos it could be very rude :?
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 16:10

Fairblue wrote:How about 'There's always a way'

Tommy Smith wrote:I like 'There's always a way'.

I'm forever saying that.


Especially for FB and Tommy Smith, because I also like 'there's always a way' and for those who want something in Latin (I shortened it to Always a way - I hope I've got it right...)
Sorry Kismet, thanks for looking it up for us, but preferred this to 'Hic tunc sunt'
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Postby Fairblue » 05 Jul 2016, 16:11

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:
Fairblue wrote:How about 'There's always a way'

Tommy Smith wrote:I like 'There's always a way'.

I'm forever saying that.


Especially for FB and Tommy Smith, because I also like 'there's always a way' and for those who want something in Latin (I shortened it to Always a way - I hope I've got it right...)
Sorry Kismet, thanks for looking it up for us, but preferred this to 'Hic tunc sunt'

Now this I like!

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Postby Frecks » 05 Jul 2016, 16:15

That is absolutely brilliant FB. I think we should adopt it for our Forum logo/motto. It is a great combined effort in the best tradition of Biggles and the team.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 16:33

Fairblue wrote:Now this I like!

Thank you, SG1 for thinking of us.


My pleasure!

An explanation of the badge: why a merlin and a devil's pitchfork.
In Spitfire parade there is a quote about Bertie, 'He's a devil with a Spitfire and a wizard with a gun' (or words to that effect, I don't have the book to hand, only the graphic novel). I thought that this could be applied to most of the pilots in Biggles' squadron, certainly Algy and Biggles himself. So from that my thinking went something like this...

Merlin - a (small but feisty) bird of prey that represents flying, the engine of the Spitfire and hence the aeroplane itself, and the most well known British wizard (of the time).

A pitchfork - Representing the devil part of the quote, and a weapon as I didn't want an actual gun (and if you really want you can bring revelation 13:18 and 666 into it as well - if you insist)

The Merlin is facing east not west - you can see that as either a nod to many people's favourite book Biggles flies East or as a deliberate choice not to have the bird going west!

Well I've had fun anyway - I'm not sure what the rest of you will think of that trip into the inside of my twisted mind!
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Postby kylie_koyote » 05 Jul 2016, 16:52

Frecks wrote:That does not have quite the same ring to it and with a few typos it could be very rude :?


Lol I was thinking that too!
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Tommy Smith » 05 Jul 2016, 16:53

Posh, well thought out and accurate.

Total opposite of RL round here.

Love the devils pitchfork.
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Re: squadron badge and motto

Postby Kismet » 05 Jul 2016, 16:56

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:
Fairblue wrote:Now this I like!

Thank you, SG1 for thinking of us.


My pleasure!

An explanation of the badge: why a merlin and a devil's pitchfork.
In Spitfire parade there is a quote about Bertie, 'He's a devil with a Spitfire and a wizard with a gun' (or words to that effect, I don't have the book to hand, only the graphic novel). I thought that this could be applied to most of the pilots in Biggles' squadron, certainly Algy and Biggles himself. So from that my thinking went something like this...

Merlin - a (small but feisty) bird of prey that represents flying, the engine of the Spitfire and hence the aeroplane itself, and the most well known British wizard (of the time).

A pitchfork - Representing the devil part of the quote, and a weapon as I didn't want an actual gun (and if you really want you can bring revelation 13:18 and 666 into it as well - if you insist)

The Merlin is facing east not west - you can see that as either a nod to many people's favourite book Biggles flies East or as a deliberate choice not to have the bird going west!

Well I've had fun anyway - I'm not sure what the rest of you will think of that trip into the inside of my twisted mind!


I'd worked out the Merlin part, but not the rest of it. Well done.
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Postby Spitfire Girl 1 » 05 Jul 2016, 21:08

Thanks for all the positive comments - it's inspired me to do a little more tidying up of the image, so here it is (in all its glory?)! Again, let me just state that this is purely for entertainment, and is in no way meant to disrespect the RAF's actual squadron badges (and that the differences are there partly for that reason).

I've enjoyed our joint efforts - collaboration is fun! And if anyone has any better ideas, I'm willing to have a go at those too.
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Postby Fairblue » 05 Jul 2016, 21:11

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:Thanks for all the positive comments - it's inspired me to do a little more tidying up of the image, so here it is (in all its glory?)! Again, let me just state that this is purely for entertainment, and is in no way meant to disrespect the RAF's actual squadron badges (and that the differences are there partly for that reason).

I've enjoyed our joint efforts - collaboration is fun! And if anyone has any better ideas, I'm willing to have a go at those too.

Wow! We've talked about doing one before but you've actually gone and done it. I like it, I really do! :yay:
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Postby Spitfire666 » 05 Jul 2016, 21:14

Spitfire Girl 1 wrote:Thanks for all the positive comments - it's inspired me to do a little more tidying up of the image, so here it is (in all its glory?)! Again, let me just state that this is purely for entertainment, and is in no way meant to disrespect the RAF's actual squadron badges (and that the differences are there partly for that reason).

I've enjoyed our joint efforts - collaboration is fun! And if anyone has any better ideas, I'm willing to have a go at those too.

Spitfire Girl, these are absolutely brilliant. Definitely go to the top of the class :!: :salute: :first:
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I'm blushing!



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