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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Frederique » 05 Oct 2014, 18:00

What an interesting question. I have never noticed that.

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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Kismet » 05 Oct 2014, 18:01

This came up a while ago: Fairblue spotted it, but we didn't get as far as confirming which editions said King's and which said Queen's Evidence. It was in the books badly edited thread, but might have been elsewhere too. We are not renown for staying on topic....
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby kylie_koyote » 05 Oct 2014, 18:03

I have a first of "Flies North" (my oldest first, sadly without a dust jacket) and it says "kings".
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Howsono » 05 Oct 2014, 18:04

It's an ebook version - no forward contents. Cover (assuming it's come from the same source) is a twin engines plane flying over a mountain with a reflection in a lake.

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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Kismet » 05 Oct 2014, 18:09

Howsono wrote:Thanks for the welcome. I assumed this wasn't a haven of sanity :)


You assume correctly. Welcome and enjoy.
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby kylie_koyote » 05 Oct 2014, 18:11

Also :welcome: :)
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Fairblue » 05 Oct 2014, 18:16

Welcome from me, too, Howsono. I think k you've been told what a nice friendly bunch we are.

As others have pointed out, we have discussed this in another thread.

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I don't think we came to any real conclusion other than it appeared to be a publisher's edit, Goodness knows why. There's been a lot of that though, in other books.
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Kismet » 05 Oct 2014, 18:16

It's changed to Queen's Evidence in my 3'6 Armada paperback published 1966.
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Frederique » 05 Oct 2014, 18:28

I can't resist it. I'm going to take a trip upstairs to find my edition... and, knowing Biggles and how engrossing he is, I might end up reading the book for the rest of the evening. :mrgreen:

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Howsono wrote:Thanks for the welcome. I assumed this wasn't a haven of sanity :)

You assume correctly. Welcome and enjoy.
Ah, Howsono is perceptive. We cannot lie and say that we are very adult and sensible, and always stay on-topic...
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby Fairblue » 05 Oct 2014, 18:50

Putting my Moderator's hat on for a minute I'm going to merge this with Biggles Flies North so this topic can stay together.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby SaintedAunt » 05 Oct 2014, 19:04

Thank you FB for posting that because I was getting very confused until I realised what had happened (when I got down to your post). I couldn't think how our new member hadn't read the start of the thread until I realised it wasn't… Well, I know what I mean. :twisted: It is helpful to have things gathered together and you are better at merging posts than I am ;)

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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Crazy Man Michael » 05 Oct 2014, 19:05

Kismet wrote:I don't have any evidence for this belief


King's or Queen's Evidence? :wink:
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Frederique » 05 Oct 2014, 19:18

Crazy Man Michael wrote:
Kismet wrote:I don't have any evidence for this belief
King's or Queen's Evidence? :wink:
:lol: I think "both" might be the safest answer... what does Kismet think?
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Kismet » 05 Oct 2014, 19:20

Let me consult my Inner Goddess and see what she suggests....
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Kismet » 05 Oct 2014, 19:23

Frederique wrote:
Crazy Man Michael"I don't have any evidence for this belief King's or Queen's Evidence? :wink:
:lol: I think "both" might be the safest answer... what does Kismet think?[/quote]

[quote="Kismet wrote:Let me consult my Inner Goddess and see what she suggests....



My Inner Goddess says circumstantial .....
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Howsono » 05 Oct 2014, 19:26

Actually I don't particularly like fiction WEJ style. Still love the books though ;)
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Frecks » 05 Oct 2014, 20:05

Kings Evidence must be right as the book was originally written before WWII.
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Re: Queen's Evidence

Postby OzBiggles1963 » 06 Oct 2014, 02:02

Kismet wrote:
Howsono wrote:Thanks for the welcome. I assumed this wasn't a haven of sanity :)


You assume correctly. Welcome and enjoy.


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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby CaptWilks » 06 Oct 2014, 09:08

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CaptWilks wrote:I quite like Flies North, but then it is graced by the true hero of the series. :lol:

Oh, you go stick your face in an oil sump! :P :P :mrgreen:

:D FYI, I have this in a best of Biggles omnibus and it has "Queen's Evidence".
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Frecks » 07 Oct 2014, 07:53

The book was written before 1939 and the King did not die until 1952 so it would be correct to say King's evidence. I think, as has been stated previously, that the book was updated in some later editions but the later editions are wrong.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Tommy Smith » 14 Oct 2014, 22:31

I never feel that easy reading this book, maybe it all feels a bit familiar human nature wise.
Just seen a phrase I hadn't seen before 'coign of vantage'.

Ginger's repairing things, bemoaning the fact that Smyth the expert isn't there, leaving me to wonder if he spent much time working along side Smyth, being taught the tricks of the trade and getting him out from under Biggles feet.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Fairblue » 14 Oct 2014, 22:43

Tommy Smith wrote:I never feel that easy reading this book, maybe it all feels a bit familiar human nature wise.
Just seen a phrase I hadn't seen before 'coign of vantage'.

Ginger's repairing things, bemoaning the fact that Smyth the expert isn't there, leaving me to wonder if he spent much time working along side Smyth, being taught the tricks of the trade and getting him out from under Biggles feet.

Probably. And that time he was possibly fairly recently qualified and well aware of what rested on his shoulders. He wasn't all that old, either and didn't want to let Biggles down.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby kylie_koyote » 15 Oct 2014, 00:40

Plus Smyth has parenting experience. :lol:
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Kismet » 15 Oct 2014, 08:44

Tommy Smith wrote:
Ginger's repairing things, bemoaning the fact that Smyth the expert isn't there, leaving me to wonder if he spent much time working along side Smyth, being taught the tricks of the trade and getting him out from under Biggles feet.


That's an interesting point, TS, that Ginger 'belongs' with Smyth the highly competent NCO, at least as much as he does with Biggles and Algy, the officers. There was a great divide between the two, even on joint expeditions, but somewhere Ginger crosses from one side to the other.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby SaintedAunt » 15 Oct 2014, 09:04

I would imagine that living in the Mount Street flat gave him quite an advantage in 'crossing the divide' :)
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Tommy Smith » 15 Oct 2014, 09:15

Kismet wrote:
Tommy Smith wrote:
Ginger's repairing things, bemoaning the fact that Smyth the expert isn't there, leaving me to wonder if he spent much time working along side Smyth, being taught the tricks of the trade and getting him out from under Biggles feet.


That's an interesting point, TS, that Ginger 'belongs' with Smyth the highly competent NCO, at least as much as he does with Biggles and Algy, the officers. There was a great divide between the two, even on joint expeditions, but somewhere Ginger crosses from one side to the other.

Smyth certainly has to be self reliant on these trips as the others are usually off in pairs watching each others back. He's just been sent into the town for supplies post murder and alone.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Spitfire666 » 15 Oct 2014, 09:49

SaintedAunt wrote:I would imagine that living in the Mount Street flat gave him quite an advantage in 'crossing the divide' :)

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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby Frecks » 15 Oct 2014, 16:01

I always think WEJ could have made more of Ginger's working class origins in the earlier books. In & Co. Biggles tells Ginger to help Smyth with the aircraft but after that there is nothing much to show he is really "employed" by Biggles.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby kylie_koyote » 15 Oct 2014, 16:02

Tommy Smith wrote:Just seen a phrase I hadn't seen before 'coign of vantage'.



Onelook.com (a dictionary site) says this about this phrase:

The phrase coign of vantage was first used by Shakespeare (Macbeth i. iv. 7), and later popularized by Sir Walter Scott.

Fascinating. I never noticed this before, but it's got a nice ring to it.
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Re: Biggles Flies North

Postby kylie_koyote » 15 Oct 2014, 16:04

Frecks wrote:I always think WEJ could have made more of Ginger's working class origins in the earlier books. In & Co. Biggles tells Ginger to help Smyth with the aircraft but after that there is nothing much to show he is really "employed" by Biggles.


There's a tiny snippet in "Biggles in Spain" where he's talking about Biggles and Algy to Jock and he says something like "My friends... well, one of them's my boss, really."

I love how in "& Co." Biggles tells him "another word from you and you're fired" (although of course he doesn't mean it).
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