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Postby Inactive User 149 » 21 Jan 2014, 11:32

This is not one of my favourite books but I love the start of each story where it gives a snapshot of Squadron life. Ginger comes across as quite popular with the other pilots. He is called kid and young feller a couple of times which makes it seem as though he is younger than some of the others. Ginger never seems to take advantage of the fact that he knows Biggles well in the ordinary life of the Squadron. It is obvious in Delivers the Goods and Borneo that Biggles still considers Ginger as one of his two best friends even though he is a junior oficer and twenty years younger but I do not think he gives Ginger any special consideration during normal routine operations.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 21 Jan 2014, 12:46

This is one of my favourites: I like the contrast between squadron parts and the outrageous tales. I like Biggles applying his logical mind in ridiculous situations. And I particularly like the mammoth and the dodos.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 21 Jan 2014, 15:35

This is one of my favorites too. Ginger shows that he's quite a good storyteller. In fact, Biggles says something like "Get Ginger to tell you, he's better at that sort of thing than I am."

Like a lot of folks, I've wondered how "real" these tales are. (In so much as it is a fictional story about a guy telling a story...)

I love the little glimpses into their off hours. The scar on Ginger's leg from the mammoth is priceless.

Also, I love the little gem where Ginger says he's bought a harmonica at an Arab marketplace. This leads me to wonder all sorts of things about what other fun little souvenirs their flat must be full of. (Poor Mrs. Symes, having to dust them all!)
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 21 Jan 2014, 15:49

kylie_koyote wrote:
Also, I love the little gem where Ginger says he's bought a harmonica at an Arab marketplace. This leads me to wonder all sorts of things about what other fun little souvenirs their flat must be full of. (Poor Mrs. Symes, having to dust them all!)


Off the top of my head, I can remember a poncho fron Flies Again and a little badge shaped like an oriental torch from Foreign Legionnaire
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 21 Jan 2014, 15:51

Kismet wrote:
kylie_koyote wrote:
Also, I love the little gem where Ginger says he's bought a harmonica at an Arab marketplace. This leads me to wonder all sorts of things about what other fun little souvenirs their flat must be full of. (Poor Mrs. Symes, having to dust them all!)


Off the top of my head, I can remember a poncho fron Flies Again and a little badge shaped like an oriental torch from Foreign Legionnaire


Didn't they have a glass sample that was mailed to them following their adventures in "Looks Back" that they put on the mantle? (Maybe I dreamed that... I do that a lot.)
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 21 Jan 2014, 16:04

Yes. I don't know what they did with the other samples: presumably Biggles sold them - no doubt at a profit.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 21 Jan 2014, 16:17

There's the story of the Crooning Crocodile, where the lads are sunning themselves on a riverside somewhere at the beginning of the story. I've always wondered what they got up to in between their wild adventures in far away places. That's a nice little peek.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby von Zoyton » 22 Jan 2014, 01:07

was one of my first and i just loved the attomosphre wej created, when doing fan fics i always write in the charter pilot style, give one such a free 'fantasy' hand
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Fairblue » 22 Jan 2014, 10:49

This, like Hits the Trail is not one of my favourites but I quite like the narrative style. The idea of a cosy evening round the fire in the Mess appeals and as KK says, Ginger has a way with words.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby SaintedAunt » 22 Jan 2014, 11:38

Fairblue wrote:This, like Hits the Trail is not one of my favourites but I quite like the narrative style. The idea of a cosy evening round the fire in the Mess appeals and as KK says, Ginger has a way with words.

Except that in Spitfire Parade, WEJ modelled his 'cosy evenings round the mess fire' on his WWI experiences in France! In WWII they were in their home country and pilots mostly went out in the evenings - drinking in the local pub or the dance hall - and LOTS of girls :lol: They lived hard and played hard - to keep themselves something like sane.

But as you say, makes for good tales :D
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 22 Jan 2014, 17:13

I've lost our previous conversation about swimwear, but in Charter Pilot, Ginger is definitely wearing a pair of swim trunks and no shirt when they're sunbathing on the river bank as he tells his story about the crocodile.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 22 Jan 2014, 19:58

kylie_koyote wrote:I've lost our previous conversation about swimwear, but in Charter Pilot, Ginger is definitely wearing a pair of swim trunks and no shirt when they're sunbathing on the river bank as he tells his story about the crocodile.



The same ones as he wears in Flies West or a new pair do you think?

This part worries me: a freckly redhead lying in the sun is just asking to burn.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 22 Jan 2014, 20:09

Kismet wrote:
kylie_koyote wrote:I've lost our previous conversation about swimwear, but in Charter Pilot, Ginger is definitely wearing a pair of swim trunks and no shirt when they're sunbathing on the river bank as he tells his story about the crocodile.



The same ones as he wears in Flies West or a new pair do you think?

This part worries me: a freckly redhead lying in the sun is just asking to burn.


I hope a new pair, it was several years later, and he'd probably grown a bit. Surely they could've afforded to buy the poor kid a new pair of swim trunks with the results of the treasure hunt. :D

I thought about the sunburn too! Do they ever wear sunscreen? What with all the tobacco and sun exposure they had, it's a wonder they didn't all die of cancer before the 1950s.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Tommy Smith » 22 Jan 2014, 20:11

Ah, well that was because of all the weird Chung glowing mountain radiation, also the reason they never aged :D They were so full of it it even rubbed off on Bertie....
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 22 Jan 2014, 20:14

Tommy Smith wrote:Ah, well that was because of all the weird Chung glowing mountain radiation, also the reason they never aged :D They were so full of it it even rubbed off on Bertie....


Oh excellent! Of course! Just like Indiana Jones drinking from the Holy Grail...
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 22 Jan 2014, 20:22

Tommy Smith wrote:Ah, well that was because of all the weird Chung glowing mountain radiation, also the reason they never aged :D They were so full of it it even rubbed off on Bertie....
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 22 Jan 2014, 20:28

kylie_koyote wrote:I hope a new pair, it was several years later, and he'd probably grown a bit. Surely they could've afforded to buy the poor kid a new pair of swim trunks with the results of the treasure hunt. :D

I thought about the sunburn too! Do they ever wear sunscreen? What with all the tobacco and sun exposure they had, it's a wonder they didn't all die of cancer before the 1950s.


Who'd knit them for him? Mrs Symes?

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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Fairblue » 22 Jan 2014, 20:48

Kismet wrote:
kylie_koyote wrote:I hope a new pair, it was several years later, and he'd probably grown a bit. Surely they could've afforded to buy the poor kid a new pair of swim trunks with the results of the treasure hunt. :D

I thought about the sunburn too! Do they ever wear sunscreen? What with all the tobacco and sun exposure they had, it's a wonder they didn't all die of cancer before the 1950s.


Who'd knit them for him? Mrs Symes?

http://www.fab40s.co.uk/Mensswimwear.html

Knitted swimwear? We all know what happens when that gets wet. :lol:
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Postby Kismet » 22 Jan 2014, 20:55

How to avoid that is included in the knitting instructions fairblue.

Can anyone knit? I must say I'd be fascinated to find out how well knitted swimwear stands up to getting wet.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby SaintedAunt » 22 Jan 2014, 23:29

Kismet wrote:
Tommy Smith wrote:Ah, well that was because of all the weird Chung glowing mountain radiation, also the reason they never aged :D They were so full of it it even rubbed off on Bertie....
:cheers:

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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Fairblue » 22 Jan 2014, 23:46

Ditto to the above. I got fed up of getting the message "only 2 quotes may be embedded with each other" (or similar) :D
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Kismet » 23 Jan 2014, 00:36

What we need is a' like' button that automatically comes up on each post, that can be clicked to indicate agreement with the post's contents.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby von Zoyton » 23 Jan 2014, 01:04

i wonder what the thinking was behind charter pilot? There are very few ww2 biggles books and most are flag wavers, why was this a good idea? Escapism from the dreary days of war?
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby kylie_koyote » 23 Jan 2014, 02:12

von Zoyton wrote:i wonder what the thinking was behind charter pilot? There are very few ww2 biggles books and most are flag wavers, why was this a good idea? Escapism from the dreary days of war?


Maybe WEJ got bored and it was a fun kind of interlude to his regular more serious fare.
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Re: Charter Pilot

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Kismet wrote:What we need is a' like' button that automatically comes up on each post, that can be clicked to indicate agreement with the post's contents.

We have discussed this before, but decided it was not a good thing. We have lots of great smilies to choose from, more interesting than a 'like' button, I think. I have used them myself more recently, when we have conversations that we have already had and I don't want to say the same thing I did before. :)
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Spitfire666 » 23 Jan 2014, 07:01

von Zoyton wrote:i wonder what the thinking was behind charter pilot? There are very few ww2 biggles books and most are flag wavers, why was this a good idea? Escapism from the dreary days of war?

I wonder if the stories were originally written before the War, and the squadron scenes written around them? No way of knowing.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Sizzling Sausages » 23 Jan 2014, 07:26

By Jove says, 'Biggles Charter Pilot, a series of pre-war adventures told in a wartime RAF mess by Ginger, was a collection of near science fiction short stories, which had started serialisation in The Boys' Own Paper in October 1941'.
That doesn't really make it clear whether they were written pre-war, or just noting that they're set pre-war.
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Postby Spitfire666 » 23 Jan 2014, 07:59

Sizzling Sausages wrote:By Jove says, 'Biggles Charter Pilot, a series of pre-war adventures told in a wartime RAF mess by Ginger, was a collection of near science fiction short stories, which had started serialisation in The Boys' Own Paper in October 1941'.
That doesn't really make it clear whether they were written pre-war, or just noting that they're set pre-war.

Yes, I know: it is just a theory of mine that Johns wrote them earlier and added the 666 setting when they were published.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Sizzling Sausages » 23 Jan 2014, 08:23

It makes sense to me.
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Re: Charter Pilot

Postby Purple Pigeon » 23 Jan 2014, 09:20

I'm not so sure. It's not just a matter of using the squadron scenes to frame the story. They would have had to have been completely changed from third person narrative to first person narrative. Plus there are references to the War(or at least the build up to it) in the stories themselves - the Counterfeit Crusaders springs to mind.
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