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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Kismet » 03 May 2014, 15:57

It was one of the first continuity errors I remember coming across. Sat on my bedroom floor, all my Biggles books spread around me, trying to reconcile the 'also in this series' lists at the start of the books with internal references, I couldn't get past this one.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby DrBiggles » 03 May 2014, 21:57

I don't think the reference to Wung Ling in Biggles Follows On (who is a character from the Biggles short story 'The Case of the Mandarin's Treasure Chest' in Biggles of the Special Air Police) is a continuity error.
Biggles of the Special Air Police is a compilation of short stories - published elsewhere previously and then subsequently collected together. It doesn't matter that it was published in book form after Follows On.
That said, I have no idea WHERE the Case of the Mandarin's Treasure Chest was originally published?? Does anybody else?
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby tiffinata » 04 May 2014, 01:23

Could it have been a new one added to make up the required number of pages?
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 04 May 2014, 08:01

That sounds quite possible if WEJ had written in before hand and it had not been published. Which short story book has all the very old WWI short stories at the end? I have an idea that is the Special Air Police if so there cannot have been enough new stories to make a full book.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby kylie_koyote » 04 May 2014, 11:23

Jenny wrote:That sounds quite possible if WEJ had written in before hand and it had not been published. Which short story book has all the very old WWI short stories at the end? I have an idea that is the Special Air Police if so there cannot have been enough new stories to make a full book.


That's the one!

Takes the Case has a random ww2 story at the end too.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 04 May 2014, 11:26

Does it? That means I have not read that book or I would have remembered. I must admit I have got quite confused with the Air Police short story books.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby tiffinata » 04 May 2014, 12:28

Just went and read it. It's quite a good one.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby kylie_koyote » 04 May 2014, 12:31

tiffinata wrote:Just went and read it. It's quite a good one.


Which one, Tiff? "Takes the Case" or "Forms a Syndicate"? or some other one? I've quite lost the plot in this thread... :oops:
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby tiffinata » 04 May 2014, 12:33

the ww2 story in takes the case.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby kylie_koyote » 04 May 2014, 12:39

tiffinata wrote:the ww2 story in takes the case.


Yes, I like that one! I also like that it tells us sort of where Rawlham was - near enough to go to Tonbridge to the cinema.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 04 May 2014, 12:40

Is it a 666 Squadron story or just random?
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby kylie_koyote » 04 May 2014, 12:55

Jenny wrote:Is it a 666 Squadron story or just random?


It's a 666 story. I think it is a re-write of a WW1 story though.

In it, Biggles and Wilks each get a new pilot and they make a bet on which one of them will shoot down the most German planes.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Fairblue » 04 May 2014, 12:59

kylie_koyote wrote:
Jenny wrote:Is it a 666 Squadron story or just random?


It's a 666 story. I think it is a re-write of a WW1 story though.

In it, Biggles and Wilks each get a new pilot and they make a bet on which one of them will shoot down the most German planes.

I've just read a WW1 version of that. 'The Fledgling'.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 04 May 2014, 15:35

So it is another just changed round for WWII. They just do not work in the same way as the originals. Flying in WWII was very different to the early days and there would be much more discipline. Pilots would not be able to fly around at will just looking for enemy planes to shoot down.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby CaptWilks » 05 May 2014, 07:28

Jenny wrote:They just do not work in the same way as the originals. Flying in WWII was very different to the early days and there would be much more discipline. Pilots would not be able to fly around at will just looking for enemy planes to shoot down.

Some are vaguely plausible but barely. Chapter 2, The Coming of Carrington, has tug, hearing a bomber coming, running to his Spitfire, starting (it would not be left with the engine running), taking off, climbing, then shooting down the enemy. Really? The bomber would, I think, be long gone before Tug got his engine running.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 05 May 2014, 08:07

True although Tug's engine would still be warm from flying in but that is just the point I am making on another thread would an 18 year old junior flying officer in WWII just rush out and shoot down a plane without any orders from his CO who was there with him? Did the aerodrome not have anti aircraft guns to shoot down stray enemy bombers. They would surely have been better placed to hit it and did the coastguards not warn the Air Force when enemy bombers came over the coast? I thought that was the main occupation of the Air Force during the Battle of Britain to stop the bombers.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby CaptWilks » 05 May 2014, 08:43

Jenny wrote:Did the aerodrome not have anti aircraft guns to shoot down stray enemy bombers. They would surely have been better placed to hit it and did the coastguards not warn the Air Force when enemy bombers came over the coast? I thought that was the main occupation of the Air Force during the Battle of Britain to stop the bombers.

Actually, in the story Ginger goes for one of the anti-aircraft guns. But by the time the bomber is over the aerodrome, the AA guns are just going to mess with the bomber's aim.

Radar could not give a lot of warning; and then the planes had to scramble and assemble. And UK planes had to attack enemy fighters and bombers; so bombers always got through.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 05 May 2014, 08:52

I must read that story again I thought the rest of the Squadron just stood about and did nothing. The Anti Aircraft guns might have done some good.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Fairblue » 05 May 2014, 08:59

CaptWilks wrote:Actually, in the story Ginger goes for one of the anti-aircraft guns. But by the time the bomber is over the aerodrome, the AA guns are just going to mess with the bomber's aim.

It was Biggles who made a beeline for the guns, if we're talking about Spitfire Parade. The rest of the officers ignored his order to take cover and joined him.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby Inactive User 171 » 05 May 2014, 14:41

Thanks for that correction FB - it makes more sense now.
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Re: Forms A Syndicate

Postby CaptWilks » 05 May 2014, 22:05

Jenny wrote:Thanks for that correction FB - it makes more sense now.

FB is correct, of course. My bad.
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