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Civil or civilian?

Postby HostileCacti » 06 Mar 2015, 12:21

Not sure where to put this, but this place seems appropriate....

I wonder about the use of the words civil and civilian, a quote to show what I mean:

"Experienced pilots, military or civil, don't lose their way on a straight run in fine weather."

I would (as a non-native speaker) so very much like to use: civilian here instead of civil.
Would civilian pilot be wrong?? :pilot:
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Re: Civil or civilian?

Postby Kismet » 06 Mar 2015, 14:24

HostileCacti wrote:Not sure where to put this, but this place seems appropriate....

I wonder about the use of the words civil and civilian, a quote to show what I mean:

"Experienced pilots, military or civil, don't lose their way on a straight run in fine weather."

I would (as a non-native speaker) so very much like to use: civilian here instead of civil.
Would civilian pilot be wrong?? :pilot:


Yes.

Civil is an adjective, a word used to describe a noun. A civil pilot. Civil is an adjective, pilot is a noun.

Civil has two meanings. The first is not related to the military, the second is courteous or polite. A civil pilot could be a non-military pilot or a polite pilot, depending on context. The first is more likely.

Civilian is a noun. A civilian is a person who is not part of the military.

Grammatically you could have a civil civilian, but you would probably choose a different adjective eg a polite civilian.

English can be a devilish language :twisted: Hope this helps.
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Re: Civil or civilian?

Postby HostileCacti » 06 Mar 2015, 15:42

Kismet wrote: Civil has two meanings. The first is not related to the military, the second is courteous or polite. A civil pilot could be a non-military pilot or a polite pilot, depending on context. The first is more likely.


Yes, that's the thing! When he writes it like that: military or civil pilot, I'm thinking to myself when I read it:
- What? Are military pilots rude?!! :toomuchcoffee:

But I think too much. :snigger:

And thank you! :aflower:
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Re: Civil or civilian?

Postby Kismet » 06 Mar 2015, 16:07

HostileCacti wrote:
Kismet wrote: Civil has two meanings. The first is not related to the military, the second is courteous or polite. A civil pilot could be a non-military pilot or a polite pilot, depending on context. The first is more likely.


Yes, that's the thing! When he writes it like that: military or civil pilot, I'm thinking to myself when I read it:
- What? Are military pilots rude?!! :toomuchcoffee:

But I think too much. :snigger:

And thank you! :aflower:



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