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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby CaptWilks » 12 Apr 2018, 00:31

RAAF Spitfire Girl wrote:
CaptWilks wrote:Good people, RAAF Spitfire Girl is fortunate to be able to post comments here! People, if you travel to crocodile country in tropical Australia, please do not follow her example!


Don't worry, CW, I still shudder whenever I think about it. Young and incredibly silly :roll: :roll: Well, my In-laws were travelling with us and Kakadu had only just been declared a National Park, so had no amenities. I was very doubtful and pointed to the prominent warning sign "No Swimming - Crocodiles, Sharks and Sting Rays inhabit these waters" (or words to that effect). In-laws looked around and stated they couldn't see any crocodiles so we'd be fine.


Young and silly, most of us do stupid things! I certainly did.

"they couldn't see any crocodiles" Oh dear! Let me quote...

World leading crocodile expert Grahame Webb told news.com.au that for every crocodile you can see, there are “10 you can’t”.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/australias-most-dangerous-water-crossing-notorious-croc-hot-spot/news-story/7e4d25f71fe1935e6133cb42600f432e

Graham Webb established, and runs, Crocodylus Park, a tourist and research facility near Darwin:
https://www.crocodyluspark.com.au/

He knows a few things about crocodiles. He also said "they will see you before you see them".

Crocodylus Park has a couple of large lagoons, each holding many large crocodiles. If you watch them closely, you will see about 10% of the animals in there. Feeding time is a big surprise!

Crocodile management is a big issue in the NT. Some think that, if we got rid of big crocs, it would be safe to swim. Well, no. Tropical Australia also has box jellyfish (there's a few different kinds) and their sting can be fatal. Australia's famous wild-life wrangler, Steve Irwin, was killed by a stingray. Australia has some of the most poisonous and deadly organisms on the planet. Great White Sharks? Australian. Funnel Web Spider? Australian. The deadliest snake in the world? The Australian Inland Taipan. Deadly Sea Snakes? The Indo-Pacific region, including tropical Australia.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Fairblue » 12 Apr 2018, 00:42

New Zealand doesn't have any nasties, I believe, apart from one species of spider. Now that I could live with.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby CaptWilks » 12 Apr 2018, 01:46

Fairblue wrote:New Zealand doesn't have any nasties, I believe, apart from one species of spider. Now that I could live with.


Note entirely true:
https://www.tripsavvy.com/new-zealand-dangerous-plants-and-animals-4156675

But it is worth noting that...

Redback Spider: These little things have recently made their way across the sea from nearby Australia. The redback spider is not well suited to the colder and wetter conditions of New Zealand, though, so it is unlikely that it will ever become well established here. As a result, its numbers are very small and you are very unlikely to see one.


Yes, Australia exports its dangerous creatures! :lol:

And...

Yes, there are plenty of sharks in the waters surrounding New Zealand, but attacks are rare to the point of being virtually unheard of in recent years.


Sharks are everywhere.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Wanderer » 12 Apr 2018, 03:33

Fairblue wrote:New Zealand doesn't have any nasties, I believe, apart from one species of spider. Now that I could live with.

The poisonous NZ spider, the Katipo, is actually a smaller subspecies of the Australian redback (also the US Black Widow). Still nasty! According to something I saw on TV recently it readily interbreeds with the red-back to form a vigorous hybrid.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby CaptWilks » 12 Apr 2018, 04:35

Wanderer wrote:
Fairblue wrote:New Zealand doesn't have any nasties, I believe, apart from one species of spider. Now that I could live with.

The poisonous NZ spider, the Katipo, is actually a smaller subspecies of the Australian redback (also the US Black Widow). Still nasty! According to something I saw on TV recently it readily interbreeds with the red-back to form a vigorous hybrid.


Okay, because I am into biology, I am going to be a little picky: it is not a sub-species, it is a related species in the same genus. Wikipedia:

The katipo (Latrodectus katipo) is an endangered species of spider native to New Zealand. It is one of many species in the genus Latrodectus, such as the Australian redback (L. hasseltii), and the North American black widows.


(I did Google to check but subspecies did not sound right when I read it.)

This is interesting:

A katipo bite produces the toxic syndrome latrodectism; symptoms include extreme pain and, potentially, hypertension, seizure, or coma. Bites are rare, an antivenom is available, and no deaths have been reported since 1901. The katipo is particularly notable in New Zealand as the nation is almost entirely devoid of dangerous native wildlife; this unique status means the spider is well known, despite being rarely seen.


The "subspecies" idea has been held:

The katipo's closest relative is the Australian redback spider (Latrodectus hasseltii)[4][5] Latrodectus katipo and L. atritus (black katipo) were previously thought to be two separate species, but research has shown that they are a single species, L. katipo, with colour variation that is clinal over latitude and correlated with mean annual temperature. The katipo is so closely related to the redback that it was at one stage thought to be a subspecies, with the proposed name Latrodectus hasseltii katipo. Further research has shown that the katipo is distinct from the redback, having slight structural differences and striking differences in habitat preference, and it remains its own species.


I have an interest in invertebrates and dangerous critters; the latter due to a desire to stay away from them. :shock:
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 12 Apr 2018, 09:52

And talking of crocodiles. This Cairns bloke was also very fortunate... :o
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-12/crocodiles-worry-for-man-hiding-in-tree-overnight-cairns/9646514
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Spitfire666 » 12 Apr 2018, 17:48

RAAF Spitfire Girl wrote:And talking of crocodiles. This Cairns bloke was also very fortunate... :o
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-12/crocodiles-worry-for-man-hiding-in-tree-overnight-cairns/9646514
Shades of Algy in Air Commodore...

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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Sizzling Sausages » 13 Apr 2018, 05:14

RAAF Spitfire Girl wrote:And talking of crocodiles. This Cairns bloke was also very fortunate... :o

As was this puppy (and the people searching for it):
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-13/l ... es/9653204

As for this story, I'm not even going to attempt a comment:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... gered-list
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 13 Apr 2018, 09:24

Sizzling Sausages wrote:As for this story, I'm not even going to attempt a comment:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... gered-list

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually, the lady who's been doing this research is the sister of a good friend of ours. Small world indeed.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Fairblue » 13 Apr 2018, 10:41

They wouldn't win any beauty contests but I can see why people thought they'd be attractive as pets. Thank goodness we're much better informed these days.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Tommy Smith » 13 Apr 2018, 11:47

Good Lord. Too much information....
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Kismet » 14 Apr 2018, 11:00

Thanks for that. I like wombats.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby kylie_koyote » 15 Apr 2018, 14:57

Aww. Tiff brought Little A a wombat puppet when we met up at FB’s two years ago and it’s a favorite! So cute!
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Tommy Smith » 15 Apr 2018, 17:06

Not so sure. That lilac Unicorn came off worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yno7w-j49R8
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Kismet » 15 Apr 2018, 21:50

You can't scare me with a wombat. I've had children.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 15 Apr 2018, 22:00

Kismet wrote:You can't scare me with a wombat. I've had children.

:laughspit:
Which goes to show that not all Aussie wildlife is out to get you :D
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Tracer » 16 Apr 2018, 10:48

Kismet wrote:You can't scare me with a wombat. I've had children.




:bomb: :laughspit: :pray: brilliant!
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Foolscap » 16 Apr 2018, 15:37

Kismet wrote:You can't scare me with a wombat. I've had children.



Well put:-)
The lilac unicorn is quite scary though...
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Tommy Smith » 16 Apr 2018, 16:58

I am rather impressed by that wombats attitude.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Wanderer » 20 Apr 2018, 15:14

Wanderer has been doing some wandering of late (hence a bit of absence in posting and communication), so here's something completely different from dangerous animals: what must be one of the most excruciatingly picturesque spots on the planet, the boatshed at Dove Lake (alt 939 metres) and Cradle Mountain (1545 metres), NW Tasmania:

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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Kismet » 20 Apr 2018, 15:28

Very, very pretty. It seems wrong to be looking at a beautiful autumn view when I'm in spring, but it's pretty.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby kylie_koyote » 20 Apr 2018, 15:35

That's lovely, W! What a nice view. 8-)
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Tracer » 20 Apr 2018, 15:50

Wow. Just Wow.


Does it need a special licence to look that lovely?
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Fairblue » 20 Apr 2018, 18:46

That is very pretty.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby RAAF Spitfire Girl » 20 Apr 2018, 22:33

One of my favourite places, W. Had a lovely hike around Dove Lake many years ago.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Foolscap » 20 Apr 2018, 23:50

A beautiful view:-)

Regarding spiders ...am I right that a particular Peppa Pig episode is not shown in Australia as it encourages kids to get close to spiders? Not a problem with mostly harmless British ones, but a real hazard where the more dangerous ones reside...
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Wanderer » 21 Apr 2018, 01:19

Tracer wrote:Does it need a special licence to look that lovely?

No :-) But you do need a license to get to it, as the 1000s per day visiting it over summer have been loving it to death. There are now well-built timber and stone walkways to keep the masses off the flora, which include such things as 1000s year-old pencil pines. Plenty of tiger snakes too, but the only wildlife en masse as this time of the year are some very prosperous-looking wombats.
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Wanderer » 21 Apr 2018, 01:28

Foolscap wrote:Regarding spiders ...am I right that a particular Peppa Pig episode is not shown in Australia as it encourages kids to get close to spiders? Not a problem with mostly harmless British ones, but a real hazard where the more dangerous ones reside...

You are indeed correct: see http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parent ... 6197a4f41d
Very wise decision. General rule is keep away from any big black ones, hairy ones, or ones with red on them! TMI for Peppa Pig...
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Re: Meanwhile...back in Australia

Postby Foolscap » 21 Apr 2018, 03:13

Re spiders...Thank you, Wanderer...I knew I had read it somewhere, but could not find the link.
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